Mondays, Feb 8-Feb 22, 2021

11:45AM – 1:15PM Central

3 Sessions – 4.5 CE via Zoom


Members $120

Non-Members $150

ECP/Students $60

Abstract: Whereas some victims of massive psychic trauma go on to perpetrate acts of evil and violence, others do not. Sue Grand explores the depths of the dark mind in her book, The Reproduction of Evil. Using the story of Frankenstein and numerous clinical case examples, she provides a riveting, yet chilling exploration into what prompts people who have suffered massive psychic trauma to go on to perpetrate horrific acts of evil on others. This is a 3-session salon intended to provide an intermediate to advanced-level learning opportunity for clinicians. Registration is limited in order to maximize opportunities for participants to discuss the issues and consider the concepts in the context of their own clinical cases. Participants should obtain the following book:

Grand, S. (2000/2010). The reproduction of evil: A clinical and cultural perspective. New York: Routledge.

Bio: JoAnn Ponder, PhD is a psychologist-psychoanalyst who has a private practice in Austin providing psychoanalysis, psychotherapy, and supervision. During her prior employment, she worked with juvenile homicidal offenders and sex offenders. JoAnn completed her psychoanalytic training at the Center for Psychoanalytic Studies in Houston, where she currently serves on the faculty. She completed another postgraduate training program in object relational family/couples therapy. She has presented at local, national, and international psychoanalytic conferences. Her publications include a coedited book, book chapters, and journal articles about a variety of clinical and applied psychoanalytic topics, such as severe trauma, sexual perpetration, the Tower shootings in Austin, and management of countertransference.

Feb. 8 Malignant Dissociative Contagion, Sexual Victimization and Sexual Perpetration

Grand (2010), Chaps. 1-3, pp. 1-60.

Feb. 15 Paradoxical Innocence and Bestial Survival

Grand (2010), Chaps. 4-5, pp. 61-114.

Feb. 22 Persecution and Homicide

Grand (2010), Chaps. 6-8, pp. 115-170.

Learning Objectives

1a) Identify 2 transmission processes in malignant contagion

1b) Describe the psychological functions of repetition and reenactment

1c) Explain why psychic truth may differ from historical truth or objective reality

2a) Differentiate the perpetrators described by Grand from psychopathic perpetrators

2b) Explain the psychological functions of reparative guilt, and the risks when it is lacking

3a) Explain what is meant by “vengeance as bond and bondage”

3b) Explain the functions of the clinician’s objective hatred

CONTINUING EDUCATION: Division 39 is approved by the American Psychological Association to sponsor continuing education for psychologists. Division 39 maintains responsibility for this program and its content.  Austin Psychoanalytic is approved by the Texas State Board of Social Workers Examiners (Provider # 5501) to provide continuing education for social workers and the Texas State Board of Examiners of Marriage and Family Therapists (Provider #1138). We also meet the requirements to provide continuing education for the Texas State Board of Examiners of Professional Counselors.

This program, when attended in its entirety, is available for 4.5 continuing education credits. Division 39 is committed to accessibility and non-discrimination in its continuing education activities. Division 39 is also committed to conducting all activities in conformity with the American Psychological Association’s Ethical Principles for Psychologists. Participants are asked to be aware of the need forprivacy and confidentiality throughout the program. If program content becomes stressful,participants are encouraged to process these feelings during discussion periods. If participants have special needs, we will attempt to accommodate them. Please address questions, concerns and any complaints to There is no commercial support for this program nor are there any relationships between the CE Sponsor, presenting organization, presenter, program content, research, grants, or other funding that could reasonably be construed as conflicts of interest. Participants will be informed of the utility/validity of the content/approach discussed (including the basis for the statements about validity/utility), as well as the limitations of the approach and most common (and severe) risks, if any, associated with the program’s content.


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